Bikers vs. Range Rover – Who Was Really At Fault?

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EDIT: Here is some more footage from the same helmet-cam that was deleted from the rider’s YouTube channel (Prior to Range Rover Incident).

There is a video that went viral recently of a motorcycle cruise gone VERY wrong in New York. For those of you who haven’t seen the video, be warned, it is a bit graphic.

The original video is below, an Instagram showing just the highlights was recently removed from the user’s account.

The media of course quickly labels the incident as a motorcycle gang “terrorizing” a family, immediately vilifying bikers, as usual.

While I personally prefer going fast on four wheels, I have family and friends who ride on two. I’ve been in the midst of (much smaller) cruises like this when I was racing my car, but never anything that turned violent.

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It is impossible to predict what happened before the cameras started rolling, but a few things are clear:

There is absolutely no reason for a man in a Range Rover driving with his wife and young child, to try to start trouble with literally hundreds of bikers.

In the video, from 20 to 27 seconds you can clearly see one of the bikers slow down directly in front of the SUV while looking back at it – either to force him to slow down to let the group pass, or to deliberately get hit – which is what happened.

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After this incident, the next shot is of countless motorcycles swarming around the Range Rover. There is some visible commotion near the SUV, and then without warning – it plows through the crowd of bikes, running over multiple riders, and speeding off. Without hesitation, a chase ensues. At one point, the Range is forced to come to a stop. One biker runs over and pulls the SUV’s door open – prompting him to immediately speed off again.

Eventually, the bikers catch up to the family in stopped traffic, and use their helmets to smash the windows of the truck. What’s not shown on video, is that the driver was pulled onto the ground and beaten by the bikers in front of his family, needing to be hospitalized.

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While nobody deserves to be injured or killed over a traffic dispute, my position is that this man was fearing for the lives of himself and his family, and did the only thing he could have done at the time – ran.

I know if it were me in that SUV with my family, I would have done anything it took to protect them.

We may never know exactly what caused this incident in the first place, but it doesn’t matter if you’re a Hell’s Angel or if you drive a minivan – my guess is you’d have a hard time finding someone on two wheels here who actually did the right thing.

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40 Comments

  1. Daniel V Iknaian on October 1, 2013 at 12:09 am

    I ride and I have no idea what the dumb ass on that white motorcycle was thinking just hitting the brakes in front of an SUV like that. What do you think that he is going to stop as quick as you can? That guy was a fool and deserve what he got. Those NYC street riders(not all but a lot) are assholes anyways, I’ve met a few and I’d never go on a cruise with them, all they want to do is wheelies and show off…situations like this are what gives bikers a bad name.

    • Robert Mark on October 5, 2013 at 10:29 pm

      Cruz was staging a contact and attempting to use this faked accident with his buddies to shut down all traffic approaching the site. They had already tied down the entrance ramps to the UWS highway, so this was an academic proposition to them. They may also have been trying to extort a cash settlement from Lien. Lien, silly thing, misinterpreted being converged on by twenty thirty threatening looking guys with objects in the their hands and helmets, and tried to get his family to safety. The sickest part is that cops have been participating in these rides for years and are major recreational squids. That is one of the reasons the NYPD has not come down firmly against these huge unauthorized rides.

  2. Tim Lecouteur on October 1, 2013 at 8:08 am

    While I understand you position I have to admit, I completely disagree. I’ve heard a few rumors as to what started the incident and they all have the guy in the SUV at fault. One said that he cut one of the bikers off, another said that he tried to cut through them to get to an exit, either way, with out knowing what actually happened the question you should be asking yourself is, why would a guy on a 400 pound motorcycle put himself in front of 5540 pound SUV without a reason to do so? There really aren’t too many answers to that question that don’t include the guy in the SUV doing something egregious. Also, take into consideration where they were. I understand that motorcycles are dangerous and that those of us who do choose to ride must take on those risks but have you ever tried to ride a motorcycle through New York? I have, it was not fun. People in NY tend to have a bump-and-go attitude toward driving anyway and they make no extra concessions to motorcycles; the feeling I got when I was riding my motorcycle there was that everyone needed to get to where they were going, f*** everyone else, and being on a motorcycle doesn’t change any of that, if I didn’t want a car bumping into my leg, I should have put a car door between my legs and other cars. I don’t mean all this to say that it was definitely the SUVs fault, but even looking at it objectively I’m having a hard time imagining a scenario where the man in the SUV, the guy with his wife and child in the vehicle, didn’t at least share a large part of the responsibility in the genesis of this altercation.
    The fact that there is a high degree of probability that the man in the SUV had something to do, through words or actions, with the start of this incident is vastly important because while the media is portraying this incident as 100 bikers v 1 family man, I see it differently. While all the bikers were riding as a group, from my perspective, it’s one 5540 pound SUV v several separate 400 pound motorcycles with no extra protection around them. When looking at this incident from the perspective of the bikers, from a “trying to protect” stand point, that really levels the playing field. In a bike v car accident, the bike looses every time. Regardless of how the car makes it out of the incident, there is a 100% chance that the bike will lose big, and they did. The point I’m trying to make here is that the guy in the SUV may have been scared for his life and those of his family, but he intentionally hit a guy on a motorcycle with a 5540 pound vehicle. The man in the SUV probably should have feared for his life, and rightly so because he had already shown a complete disregard for the lives of others.
    So just to recap, the guy in the SUV most likely had a large hand in starting the incident, he also exacerbated the situation by intentionally hitting a guy on a motorcycle with his SUV while he had his wife and child in the car. This is where the video gets bad, the guy in the SUV plows into several bikes, and while it is unclear in the video, several people as well I’m sure. So at this point, the bikers have not caused any harm to the man or his family or his property and the SUV has intentionally hit a motorcycle. I have no doubt that when the man in the SUV made the decision to plow through several motorcycles and put a lot of other peoples lives at risk, once again with a 5540 pound SUV v unprotected people, that he was scared, that much is obvious. He put himself in the situation, through malice ignorance or negligence, none of which are a justifiable excuse, through his own actions he helped create a situation where not only his safety was in danger but also, his family’s. So how does this man decide to deal with the situation he helped create? He plows into several bikes and bikers to escape. When he decided to plow through the bikers he had not been touched, his wife and child had not been touched, his property had only been damaged when he made the decision to hit a biker and his best plan was to cause more damage and put more lives at risk.
    I’m not writing this to attempt to justify the follow on actions of the bikers, although I do have to say that if it was me, if a guy in an SUV got into an altercation with a friend I was riding with and his best plan of action was to hit my friend with his vehicle, I’d be mad too and I would want to confront the driver. If while I was attempting to confront a driver who intentionally hit one of my friends, the driver decided to plow through another group of my friends, not only putting their lives at risk but at the same time destroying thousands of dollars worth of their personal property, you better believe that the only way I’m not following that guy is if mine was one of the bikes that got ruined. I can’t speak to what the outcome would be because it is impossible to predict an emotional state in that situation, I’d like to think that the worst I’d do would be to detain him until the police arrived but who knows, it would be excessively hard to remain calm around a guy who just tried to kill several of my friends.
    Who knows though, I may be wrong, without knowing the lead up to the incident I cannot say for certain who’s at fault, It might very well be that the bikers decided they were going to go out an f*** with a few cars since they were out in numbers. The point in all this though, the genesis of the altercation is really the most important part. With out knowing what started the incident we cannot know who’s really to blame but there is more then just one point of view. To look at this as just one guy trying to protect his family doesn’t take into account that the bikers felt threatened as well and fear does not give anyone the right to put others lives at risk, fear does not give anyone one the right to destroy the property and this case particularly because at the worst of the incident the fear the SUV driving was feeling was imagined; the bikers had not actually done anything yet. Also, the driver had no right to do what he did because there is no scenario, even one where the bikers started it, where the guy in the SUV didn’t share at least a little of the responsibility in putting himself and his family in a situation where they should be scared.

    • TOTO on October 1, 2013 at 11:06 am

      Your an Idiot. I was born into a family that rides and owns 2 motorcycle dealerships. In not one instance, would I have stand up for a biker who intentionally pulled in front of a motor vehicle, of any size, and then proceeded to slow down or come to a stop intentionally to get the car driver’s attention. Just like a motorcycle can not stop on a dime, neither can a car moving at any rate of speed. At this time there is no clear answers, unless someone in the SUV decided to video the incident also, then both sides of the incident can be seen. The helmet cam is only showing us what they want us to see, the camera had to be on during the entire ride and there should be video of the entire ride prior to encountering the SUV. There is absolutely no justification in continuing to swarm the SUV and drag the driver out of the vehicle and serve their own kind of vigilante justice. The bikers and the driver of the SUV not only put themselves in danger, but the lives of others. Call 911 and let the proper authorities resolve the matter. HOT heads never prevail.

      • Tim Lecouteur on October 1, 2013 at 1:37 pm

        Wow, didn’t take long for name calling and poor grammar to permeate this conversation, huh? Allow me to help:
        Your = something that belongs to you
        You’re= you are
        So in a sentence, YOU’RE an idiot for not being able to write YOUR native language, but YOUR grammar faults have nothing to do with YOUR opinion so I’ll reply to that now.
        Your inability to imagine a situation where a biker would pull in front of a vehicle and slow down speaks more to your imagination than any real world situation. If a person was putting the lives of my friends in danger, I would gladly put myself in harms way to stop it. The fact that you wouldn’t protect your friends is also telling of your character.
        Then we agree that with out the first part of the video there is no way to tell what actually happened.
        Lastly you mention calling the cops. Have you ever called the cops on a bad driver? Why don’t you try that some time, call the cops and tell them a guy in an SUV is driving like an asshole. Tell them the driver almost caused harm. Tell them all that and see if you get a response other then, “Do you have a description of the vehicle? Yep… Uh huh… And where was this? Okay, we’ll look into it.” Good luck with that.



    • Pat on October 2, 2013 at 2:15 pm

      Tom, your position is silly, he cut off a motorcycle so that is reason for 30 bikers to attempt to get him to stop, putting the driver of the suv in a position where he needs to defend his family? Since no one was hurt prior to the motorcycles forcing the SUV to stop prompting the SUV driver to feel the need to run, clearly the motorcycles are at fault and got was was coming to them, end of story.

      • Tim Lecouteur on October 2, 2013 at 2:49 pm

        Silly is a subjective term and therefore, it’s not the end of any story. I personally think that anyone who’d allow another person to endanger their life and those of their friends without confronting the negligent fool who put the lives in danger is a silly coward.
        I also believe that anyone one who assumes that confrontation equals danger is silly. For example, if we were having this conversation face to face I would allow you to confront me without out attacking you. As well, I can’t speak to the kind of person you are, but if you’re the type of person who’d assume I’d attack you over a disagreement, it’s your cowardice that should be questioned, not my actions.
        The point I’m trying to make, and the point silly folk like yourself seem to ignore is that there is most likely a reason he should be scared. If you put my life at risk via negligence, be scared. If you tried to hurt my friends or family, be scared. If all this guy did was make an honest mistake he could have apologized and been on his way.
        The people on the bikes are just that, people. They aren’t animals, they aren’t savages, they wake up up every morning and go to regular jobs and they obviously have enough decorum to function in society on a day-to-day basis. They reverted to savagery only after they were treated with savagery. They wouldn’t have killed him or his wife or ate his baby or any of the other imagined scenarios that would lead the driver of the car to smash tens of thousands of dollars of other people’s property and put even more lives in danger. This guy sped off and smashed other people’s property without so much as a conversation or an attempt to remedy the situation that he caused. In my opinion, it’s the silly cowardice of the driver that is the main cause of the situation and since you’re going to sit there and hypocritically defend cowardice by saying that since the driver didn’t hurt any of the motorcycles so, no harm no foul. And follow that up by saying the bikers, who did not touch the driver but whom the driver hit with his vehicle that’s heaver than any 10 of those bike, then he hit several more to escape the situation he caused “got what was coming to them” then you are just as silly.
        As to the facts of your post, you started by factually stating what caused the bikers to swarm him. As of now the investigation is still ongoing and they haven’t released the inciting incident. Also, that poor innocent driver, he paralyzed on of the bikers to escape the situation WITHOUT THE BIKERS EVER HAVING TOUCHED HIM!

        http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/01/20772232-1-biker-charged-another-critical-in-nyc-range-rover-chase?lite



    • J M on October 3, 2013 at 12:18 am

      Tim, I see this situation exactly as you do. A more balanced perspective and understanding there may be more to the story. Unfortunately, you won’t get much support from folks who have narrow viewpoints biased in prejudice. Many are quite happy one of the bikers is paralyzed and wish many wold have been killed. It’s really disturbing we live in times with such lynch mob mentality who care not to explore potential facts, rather, render verdicts based purely on prejudice. Trying to get people to look at both sides of this is an exercise in futility. You will be called much worse than an idiot :-). Wether the fault lays solely on one side or equally distributed, one thing is clear: What we see at work here are two of the most uncontrollable human emotions… FEAR and RAGE.

      • Dan (@diptrich) on October 3, 2013 at 2:01 pm

        I don’t ride a motorcycle but I completely agree with you. The bikers might not be angels, but we all know how arrogant SUV drivers are. Whereas the bikers drive usually without any regard for their own safety the SUV drivers many times drive without any regard to everyone’s else safety.

        The video fails to show the critical moments: why the whole altercation has started in the first place and what transpired when the SUV stopped for the first time.

        And just because you have a wife and a child in your car it doesn’t give you any right to do whatever the heck you want.



      • Robert Mark on October 5, 2013 at 10:48 pm

        JM – it may come as a shock to learn that millions of people don’t think that the road should be given over to a mass of unlicensed criminals on crotch rockets out to control the road for their private recreational adventure. But, there you have it. The public was only vaguely aware of the disgusting fascist joy rides for profit on UTube promulgated by Hollywoodstuntz.com and other similar sites, but they’re aware now.



    • rick on October 3, 2013 at 11:38 am

      Great writeup man. I ride too, lots of holes in this SUV guys story. I’m thinking he will get his though because the paralysed guy has a pretty good lawyer. Either way, this vid has inspired me to conceal carry on my ZX6R. We got a first hand look on what people really think about us, which is fine. Next time someone tries to run me down, they better have some really good glass.

    • NOFEAR on October 4, 2013 at 12:34 am

      you must be one of the biker gang that ride on that day.

    • Scotty on October 5, 2013 at 7:57 pm

      I think that your question about the weight differences of the vehicles speaks volumes. Why would a person driving a 5540 pound SUV feel threatened by a smaller motorcycle vehicle. It wasn’t until he had hit one of the motorcycles and tried to drive off that any type of altercation commenced. If you are involved in an accident you are required by law to stop. You cannot claim that you feared for your life and that was why you were driving away from the scene of an accident. And I don’t believe that he was dragged out of his SUV until he had used that vehicle as a weapon and tried to kill one of the motorcyclists by driving him over!

    • Robert Mark on October 5, 2013 at 10:36 pm

      Tom, whatever your belief, there is no legal rational justification for short stopping in front of a vehicle unless you are a LEO with lights and it is a matter of public safety. Motorcycles, bikers, and crotch rocket squids all need to be cut back from unauthorized group riding that occupies more than one lane at a time, and causes accidents, endangering themselves more than others, with cars. Yeah, I hear the rationale all the time about how “impatient and inconsiderate and non-comprehending” car drivers are. Guess what? That means riding a two wheeled, exposed to the elements vehicle, utmost care and caution should be used if you want to live to a ripe old age.

      Frankly, there is a huge fatality rate for cyclists that all motorists pay for and there needs to be a fearful crackdown on the whole industry. This incident will be remembered for having helped trigger a massive public backlash against squid bikers, and cops who ride with them.

    • Chris on July 10, 2015 at 3:10 am

      Hey Tim, whats your verdict now dumbass? This was 2 years ago we know the whole story now, but I love seeing dipshits like you being proved wrong.

    • danerjane on February 1, 2016 at 8:09 pm

      They chased him. He never pursued them. He only tried to get away. The bikers were completely at fault. I know many bike riders. The only one who drove like that died in an traffic accident.

  3. LB on October 1, 2013 at 1:19 pm

    I used to ride in my younger days. So I know what its like to be stupid on a bike when you are with a bunch of riders. If they circled the truck to play games while he tried to get off well that just wrong. Regardless nobody deserves to die not on a bike or in the car. However if you a wreckless biker well Shit happens….You get whats coming. I doubt a family man would start with bikers. I do believe that the bikers acted liked morons. I see it now when I am out driving with my family the are young, stupid and careless. When something happens always looking for someone to blame. Bottom line is we only see what the bikers want us to see(shockingly). I bet the story would be totally different if we saw tape from begining to end. Oh yeah, why again are you stopping on the middle of the highyway with no traffic? For riders to pass is not an excuse, from what I see 2 lanes were empty. Same rules apply to bikers as to cars.

  4. Gary on October 2, 2013 at 8:45 am

    I am a family man and never rode a bike but I don’t think that slowing down in front of a car gives anyone a right to hit a motorcyclist. I don’t see why the range rover didn’t just let the motorcycles pass. As a pacifist I think that would have been a better judgement call. There didn’t seem to be any weapons involved, no need to panic.

    • Robert Mark on October 5, 2013 at 10:44 pm

      Gary, you never rode a bike. Fine. Did you ever ride your car into a swarm of squid thugs trying to coral you while you feared for your wife and child? Did you not catch the fact that Cruz staged the accident by cutting in front of a highly distracted driver who was having to watch front as well as in his rear view mirrors and side mirrors for oncoming bikers? It only takes 1/10th of a second of distraction to equal a second’s delay in braking and a 5500 lbs. Rover stops a lot more slowly than a bike, but as it is, notice Cruz wasn’t even thrown, but he steps off as if he suffered damage. Obviously it was a set up. Now, do you still want to say YOU wouldn’t have panicked? Fine, but does that impose a moral, physical, or legal justification for a different human being to respond very differently from you and not be within their rights? I totally disagree with your armchair take on a highly charged setting not of the SUV driver’s making.

  5. Frank on October 2, 2013 at 3:25 pm

    SORRY, when there’s a FIVE MONTH OLD IN THE CAR and you continue to terrorize, putting the child in danger, you are no longer a man. You are an animal parasite. These guys are going to wish they had never pursued that line of action, cause if it was just the guy and his wife fine, but anyone who is a parent knows the second a child is in danger from a bunch of grown men who want to be tough by terrorizing him or her, you will kill everyone in site.

    I can’t believe how little focus is placed on the fact that a five month old was in he car the entire time. The SECOND you see that effing car seat, you keep it moving if YOU don’t want to be terrorized and treated as one step above child molester the rest of your life. Total scum who, as people think more and more about this are about to be terrorized themselves for the rest of their lives.

    • Tim Lecouteur on October 2, 2013 at 5:05 pm

      YES! This is what I’m talking about! Sing it brother! I’m gonna start having babies every five months! If I have to get a few different women, so be it. I just want to jump on “no more responsibilities” wagon. I’m going to have a baby just so I can drive around hitting people with my car, and if they get mad, if they come after me, look out world, the fact that I have a five year old means there is not a god damned thing you can do about it! If you even think about retaliating against me for my actions, if you threaten me, oops, I mean if you threaten my five year old for my actions, it’s on! I hope you’re wearing a bullet proof because I’m killing everyone. What’s that? Are you looking at me like you wanna go? BANG
      Once again, the people on the bikes are just that, people. They weren’t going to eat the baby. Heck, they hadn’t even threatened the driver, at least not that I saw. Sure they swarmed him but what happened to people who cause accidents on roadways stopping and apologizing? What happened to offering to letting your insurance cover the damage? They are bikers, not savages, not neandrathals with no concept of society. They are people who, tightly confronted a man (and by proxy his family) rear ending a guy on a bike. That doesn’t imply imminent danger, it doesn’t mean they child was about to be torn to shreds by a pack of wild dogs. Alls it means is that they wanted a remedy to the situation and the best remedy they got was a guy pissing himself because of some stupid preconceived notions about what bikers would do in that situation which led to the man furthering the destruction he caused. Destruction that led to one of the bikers being paralyzed.

      • Will w on October 2, 2013 at 6:47 pm

        Tim I understand where you are coming from many of my friends ride and are members of clubs and stunt crews. When I spoke with a few of them they all seemed to share the same opinion that mistakes were made on both sides, and now there are families lying in the wake. I have to echo the comments made by others on this, the motorcycle that pulled in front of the SUV and clearly brake checked the driver was not making an intelligent decision. He clearly put himself in harms way and the other bikers that were flanking both sides of the vehicle. If the driver had slammed on the breaks there was a good chance the bikers behind the vehicle would have been injured, if he swerved to either side to avoid him he would have injured the bikers on the side of the vehicle. Now I don’t know what happened that compelled that biker to attempt that because there is no accessible video of it to me, but that doesn’t really matter either. From the details prior to that point nobody had been injured and had everybody acted with a higher degree of caution people who are severely injured would not be in that situation right now. I think it speaks to the mob mentality that plagues our nation, here you have possibly a 100 bikers on the road of which dozens appeared to be approaching a vehicle with a family in it. At what point do you expect anything positive to come from that scenario. And the police reports at that point they were actually slashing one of the tires and denting the car with their helmets, now I don’t know if that is being exaggerated but you can visibly see in the video a large commotion on the passenger side of the vehicle, the same area where the drivers child was. If that was me I would have been extremely concerned for the well being of my family at that point-and no I would not liken that to the actions of the biker that brake checked the SUV, that would be a poor comparison.



      • danerjane on February 1, 2016 at 8:14 pm

        Hmmmm? Appears the SUV driver knew exactly what would happen…and it did.



  6. Thinker Belle on October 2, 2013 at 8:13 pm

    I think someone on this blog is from the “call it what it’s not” media of conspiracy and reading retention/poor recall as well writing and teaching skills.

    Stuntz wanted to set the rules of the highway. Though driving may be viewed as a right (or wrong or left), no one group has the right to set the protocol on the open road…unless of course, you’re Peter Fonda.

    I’ve heard people from these type clubs brag about pulling a gun on a car that passed them because they thought the car should trail behind. If I have somewhere to go, I’m going. Unless, of course, there’s a funeral procession or something similar. Bikers aren’t all that!

    There are groups that troll the highways looking to do just as this group did. Oft times they find their lives in danger. After they’ve pizzed their britches, they go get friends to assist. When that fails they move on to other tactics.

    The biker that got run over got off easy. It would have been too easy to have wiped out more than 50 of the idiots before exiting the highway…a stuntz!

  7. thesmileyone on October 2, 2013 at 8:14 pm

    It looks to me like they wanted to carjack / mug him. Some of the bikers had 2 people on them who were not dressed for motorcycling but moreso driving, t-shirts etc.

    I think this is a modern version of the big harley davidson gang hells angels.

  8. The Right Needs No Justification on October 2, 2013 at 9:22 pm

    Here are some of the conveniently deleted videos of just their regular ride through pedestrian filled sidewalks, on the wrong lane going towards traffic, stopping intersections so that their parade can go through, etc.
    http://oppositelock.jalopnik.com/the-footage-that-the-nyc-bikers-didnt-want-you-to-see-1435594427/1436603736/@orlove

    • James Michael Sama on October 2, 2013 at 9:27 pm

      Wow…there’s some disturbing stuff in there. Glad NYC banned the event from now on but they need to seriously step up the police force when these guys are around.

      Thanks for posting this link.

      • Robert Mark on October 5, 2013 at 10:56 pm

        NYPD will be found to have scores of cops in the stuntz riding clubs. Ditto Port Authority and the suburban police. That is one of the disturbing facts that has set up this whole debacle.

        The reason a gradual drift in what is publicly acceptable on the roads from motorcycles v. car drivers riding en masse has been a progression since the NYPD motorcade massings post 9-11. The hand signals and exit ramp blocking is all taught by NYPD to NY’s finest. Now we’re seeing it reimposed freestyle as a form of recreational proto-fascist terrorism and the pathetic fact is the perpetrators don’t even get how delusional and in the wrong their behavior is.



  9. Macstruk on October 2, 2013 at 9:41 pm

    If I may… Did you see how well the range rover’s full time all wheel drive expertly navigated over large obstacles. I wonder if he put it into “rocky terrain mode”. Man that thing didn’t even blink when mowing over bikes an people. What a machine.

    Clearly the motorcyclists were putting the driver into a situation where he felt trapped and in danger. Get the plates and get out of the way. The cops will get him and sort it out. There is no room in this world for vigilante behavior.

  10. Street Justice on October 3, 2013 at 11:41 am

    The Lawrence man’s driving record: http://www.eagletribune.com/newhampshire/x934955433/Bikers-right-to-drive-revoked-since-1999

    Street Justice if you ask me.

  11. Terry on October 4, 2013 at 12:22 am

    Confirmed that this is a Black biker gang targeting whites and asians in New York specifically.

    The black bikers might cover each other by lying about what happened but they have several videos on the internet visibly harassing and damaging-destroying property and people’s vehicles in New York.

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3cd_1380579664

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=81e_1380656714

    There’s more, of course, so there’s really no way to miss them unless a person is actively running from the video proof. The bikers have apparently been in a tizzy to remove the videos from the internet but they have long since been copied and imbedded on multiple sites; there’s no denying who they are and what they did now (recorded by the black bikers themselves no less) in spite of their enablers’ attempts to squelch the truth and hang Mr. Lien.

    It has also been confirmed that these guys have rap sheets a mile long, and the black gang is basically the biker version of the notorious “black flash mob”, only on bikes this time.

    Essentially, these are street thugs out to stir up trouble. As can be seen on the video, the bikers intentionally got in front of the SUV and put their brakes on to initiate contact. This is in clear contradiction to CNN and other media outlets who claim that the SUV “Rear-ended” the motorcycle or that the motorcyclist “accidentally” slowed.

    Short story: a gang of black biker thugs, who have been terrorizing New Yorkers and targeting whites and asians for beatings and damaging their cars, decided to attack another target using amateurish provacteur pretexts, this one ending with their [planned] beating/attempted murder of said asian, although one of them ended up run over.

    It is hopeful that Mr. Lien recovers, although he will likely get the hatchet job the same way Zimmerman got framed by the media; having been attacked by a black thug(s) and defending himself. But at least in both cases, their black aggressors paid a price.

    • Street Justice on October 4, 2013 at 3:33 pm
    • Will w on October 5, 2013 at 2:30 am

      Why are you making it a race issue terry? Seems kinda ridiculous since this issue has nothing to do with race. Are you just trying to find a soapbox to make your case for why its okay to promote stereotypes or racist agendas.

    • Robert Mark on October 5, 2013 at 11:05 pm

      Terry – It strikes me that race is a red-herring in this whole incident. The overwhelming amount of people I encounter, except for motor-bike enthusiasts, and squids, sympathize with the Lien family on this one. The issue is that bike clubs and and other “stuntz” groups have increasingly assumed the right of the mob to take over public roads and jeopardize public safety. Not for “protest” or “freedom of speech” but to post their stupid stunts (“stuntz”) on UTube and “get fame.”

      Sickly enough, a lot of these young male dudes are cops. But does it happen to revolve around race? I’ve been caught in the center of these riders and can tell you I’ve seen every different race, latins, whites and blacks. What’s common? Mostly male, 18-35, IQ and judgement impaired by their masturbatory cycle fantasy of omnipotence.

  12. NOFEAR on October 4, 2013 at 12:33 am

    Well cleary the bikers are at fault. they think they own the freeway to themselves. this is mob mentality, thinking they have the numbers and just do whatever they can including blocking freeway. I WON’T PITY any of them.

  13. R1rider on October 5, 2013 at 11:48 am

    I’ve ridden for nearly 30 years and driven nearly as long and clearly recognize that the driver intentionally rolled into the rear of the biker on the white bike. The SUV driver perpetuated the chain of events and should be held accountable for such as should all others.

  14. TLH on October 9, 2013 at 8:05 pm

    Let me introduce you to something called “brake checking” – view this video, which has nothing to do with this incident but will look strangely similar…

  15. TLH on October 9, 2013 at 8:07 pm

    Looks to me like what people are trying to do when they brake check in this way is deliberately get hit but not hard enough to be lethal, but hard enough to press a lawsuit and get some money out of a driver.

  16. TLH on October 9, 2013 at 8:09 pm

    Therefore as the wife of a Harley rider who doesn’t act like this on a motorcycle, I’d have to say that the biker who brake checked the SUV was ABSOLUTELY AT FAULT. I will never, ever, ever in ten thousand years view this any differently. I saw an interview with him and he’s full of crap. He’s a lying sack of shit if you ask me. He was out to start some trouble. You just know HIS family is going to sue and try and get some money out of that SUV driver.

  17. Bymep on October 23, 2013 at 4:23 pm

    It is the Drivers fault as much as it is the bikers fault. He is lacking common sense in a big way. No one was going after his family and that is obvious to everyone. He was in the wrong by cutting and than hitting the bikers off. Instead of apologizing and trying to make the situation better, he challenges the bikers and runs over them. If anything this prick is the one that started the whole problem. He should have stopped on the side of the road and just let the bikers get past. WTF was he thinking? No car has ever got away from a bike, especially in the city. The driver is a peace of shit idiot and is lucky to be alive. He should get some time as well for trying to run people over. No one touched him before he ran over the bikes. The bikers reaction is completely justifiable. People need to stop crying and see that he asked for it and he is an asshole for putting his family in danger. He wasn’t trying to protect them! What a load of crap! He is a pussy and a fucking idiot. Hence why he ran. Let’s hope he learned his lesson.

    Cheers

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